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Shadowmere · Oct 25, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

To be fair to both sides in this, the no H/H weekend would be rude to those who want to go solo and everything. There is truth to both sides of the debate, there are the stuck up wammos who run off and ragequite etc. and there are also the elitist snobs who won't be bothered to help anyone with anything unless they're on their f-list

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Originally Posted by bhavv

You phail, next time buy a brain.

When I started GW, I was a noob yes. I was a big noob in a big noob guild. I used to asked the noobiest questions and learnt from my guildies.

Solution for current noobs in the game? Join a guild that caters to new players. Leave me alone in my all Pro HM alliance and with my heroes and henchmen plzkthnxbye.

I havnt played GW for over two years to be told its funny because I dont help new players. They have a very well informed Wiki now. They have these forums. You can even type /help and /wiki in the game if your having problems and get help for yourself. Or better yet read the manual.

I had a friend's brother frantically PM'ing me asking how to buy new armor and he was pretty much chatting BS. I just put him on ignore where he still is. If he had asked me once only and politely it might have been different.

now I try to see both sides in thise debate and give each side an equal say but this post just flatly pissess me off, you couldn't make this any more elitist if you replaced every other letter with a number. now I've met some god awful players in my time in GW but you're the first that actually makes me ashamed to be playing GW.
This is the kind of arrogance our community has reached now? Good God people

Red Sonya · Oct 25, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by X Earth X

I love to help out new players. I hang around in Q&A half the time answering questions.

But, I still hate pugs, because every single time I decide to pug, I end up with stupid, immature, ignorant 12 year old kids who think they're the best with their awesome tanking skills [OH SO YOU END UP WITH PLAYERS LIKE WITCHBLADE AND BLACKSEPHIR and BHAVV IN YOUR GROUP ahaha] (AKA agroing everything on the radar and then blaming the monk for their death).

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I can understand when you have players like BlackSephir and Witchblade and Bhavv in your group.

Chris Blackstar · Oct 25, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

/ not signed

I can see it now, no sins, sins can't tank and they suck

TheLichMonky · Oct 25, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

This is gonna be the weekend I dont want to play, why would they force us to play with people who dont have a basic understanding of the game?

Red Sonya · Oct 25, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Because you once didn't have a basic understanding of the game.

draxynnic · Oct 25, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by angryKid

But weird times of being online? Wait, what? I get the feeling that some people only play MMOs to show-off titles, weapons, elite armors and w/e there is to show-off and that is the only aspect of the game they need other people for. Yay, admire me, I'm so leet I won't play with you. And don't get me wrong, I don't want to be forced to do everything with a human group.

Okay, let's consider my situation. I'm in Australia, on the American server (where most of my guild is). Generally, on weekdays, when I get on it's the small hours of the morning over in the America (at this time of the year - in the middle of the year, I might just get on before midnight in the US). That's time I spend running around doing quests, easily H/Hable missions, and stuff like that. Generally during these periods I'm doing things like watching programs on television, eating dinner, and the like as well, so I don't really feel as if I should be joining a party when I might not have my full attention on the game.

Generally, the MMO aspect only comes into play on the weekends, which is when I can link up with guildies or, if they're not online, that's when I might start looking around some of the outposts for missions or Master quests which benefit from extra players for a PUG. Even then, however, by the time it starts getting into the evening my-time - American players are more likely to stay on late on the weekend (my Sunday evening is your early Sunday morning), but the outpost populations certainly start to drop, so I usually revert to solo play. I'll also have a tendency to revert to solo play if I haven't found a semi-decent-looking PUG within a certain period of looking.

In short: I'm not completely antisocial, but due to what for most people is a weird time, I simply don't have the opportunity to PUG that most people do - so I've learned to H/H most things in a pinch. And while I'd certainly welcome an event that leads to more opportunities to form a group, I'll have to say that I've also had a lot of experience that shows that, for quite a few quests and missions, H/Hing it is more reliable than the typical PUG. The important thing, however, is that if the H/H option is removed entirely during an event, that stops me from having pretty much anything at all that I can do during the periods when the outposts are pretty much empty due to it being the small hours of the morning in America.

grottoftl · Oct 25, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

i really wonder what your problem is. why should it be everyone's responsibility to group with pugs. is it to help new players? hey thats good and all but its not our responsibility, we have a right to choose what we do and not do. its not being elitist, its not being antisocial, why does being social need to be the main focus in requiring to play the game? outside of pvp that is. its because we dont feel like it, we dont have the time, and we want go through the game at own pace. i bet you are thinking that everyone who started out as a newbie pugged a lot because they wanted help. well when i started out i didnt pug, i used henchmen all the time when i was a newbie and checked the forums to read helpful guides that posters gave on specific classes. i didnt have to pug to gain some knowledge about this game, outside of pvp. even when i played everquest a few years ago, i started out solo.

you should deal with it and accept that most players want to solo and they are not doing any harm. you dont see them bothering and forcing you to solo, so dont try to force your playstyle on them. and guess what, all mmo's support solo play too. i am glad arena net slightly improved henchmen ai and gave heroes to support solo players. it looks like they are still going to support solo players in guild wars 2 because you can venture areas complete solo without having a full party. you think they wont have heroes and henchmen, well they will in a form of companions for solo players who need that extra boost.

if you still going to try make everyone play "together", well technically we are. the definition of an mmo also means having mulitple players online and playing in the same server of the game simultaneously. so even if we are not partied up, we are technically playing the game "together." so leave the solo players alone, let them do their thing. you go play with your pugs and find like minded players who want to pug too. just get off the solo players backs for petesake. for someone who want force pugging a lot, i get the feeling you dont have real life friends and dont want to be alone but i am guessing that its not true. although when someone talks about solo players and wants them to forcefully pug, i am starting to think it is true.

Earth · Oct 25, 2007, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I can understand when you have players like BlackSephir and Witchblade and Bhavv in your group.

I'd rather have them than you.

TheLichMonky · Oct 25, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Because you once didn't have a basic understanding of the game.

And using only henchies i turned out fine =D

BlackSephir · Oct 25, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by X Earth X

I'd rather have them than you.

We'd be fine, I managed to get all 3 Protectors on my A using only H/H.

I found something that sums this topic pretty nicely.

angryKid · Oct 25, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

you should deal with it and accept that most players want to solo and they are not doing any harm. you dont see them bothering and forcing you to solo, so dont try to force your playstyle on them.

This is the bit that most people here just don't get. You do actually force me to solo at times, there are lots of situations where there are 8+ players at a mission outpost, every one of each with a full H/H in the party. While I could form a hybrid human-hero party with some of them this opportunity is taken away from me this way.

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

and guess what, all mmo's support solo play too. i am glad arena net slightly improved henchmen ai and gave heroes to support solo players.

This is something you people are also getting a bit wrong. While indeed you are the only real person in such party it's far from doing things solo. It's you + 7 AIs and this is quite different. You are not given a choice to group up with other players or not - you are given a choice of having real players or script controlled NPCs. And while it's a great solution on one hand, on the other there are things that no real person will exceed the AI (eg. interrupting). Heroes don't complain, don't go AFK, don't leave the party. This is a double bladed sword. Computer controlled teammates actually make the real ones impatient and fussy.

As much as I find WoW the most boring game in the world, it actually rewards people for their team efforts. And hell, this is what MMO should be about. For some reason people play CS with other people and not with bots. Whatever you say I still find little purpose of playing a massive multiplayer game solo for 99% of the time. Such games should support solo play of course, because it would be pure madness if you had to assemble a full human party for everything, but they also should encourage team play at some points.

And seriously, talking about people in need of friends online because of lack of such in real life is simply pathetic. Even if that's the case nobody of us here is in the position to criticize it. Some people are shy, have difficulties with meeting new people or live in the middle of nowhere. For those lads and gals internet is sometimes the only way to be a part of any 'community' as you are given full anonymity. And if you still wanna say something about geeks and nerds consider the fact that you are killing virtual enemies to buy a virtual weapon for your virtual hero from a person at the other end of the world.
Say, how many of you have a profile on MySpace or FaceBook? Don't you have friends in real life?

Hyper.nl · Oct 25, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

/notsigned

Let players who like to play single free to do so.

The Little Viking · Oct 25, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

I remember when I was new to the game,and yes I did try to pug. But I found the people to be so rude that I just took the henchmen. They didnt talk nasty to me because I was new or I didnt yet have the skill they thought I should. They actually stuck with me and helped out! (Imagine that!) Just to ask a simple question in Ascalon was an invitation for snide remarks. And as time went on, it didnt get any better. Even today (2 years later) its not any better. And like i said before, I do not want to have to put up with the child that thinks hes some sort of god, runs ahead of the group and dies and cusses the monk for not healing him. Like the monk really wants to fallow someone that hasnt the brains to stick with the group. And yes, there is always some that do that, and it gets old fast. I am not insociable, I like people in general, have a few friends, in game and in RL, but dont feel the need to socalize with a geroup of people that i have nothing in common with. most being between the age of 12 to 22. I could care less about their last drunk, or what sally did to john at school today. Let alone the ...damn you monk, why didnt you heal me you f...king noob....(xxx has left the game). So yes, once again, I think its a bad idea.

Etta · Oct 25, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Hey Mod, lets close this thread before this Weekend??!

lishi · Oct 25, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Shadowmere

To be fair to both sides in this, the no H/H weekend would be rude to those who want to go solo and everything. There is truth to both sides of the debate, there are the stuck up wammos who run off and ragequite etc. and there are also the elitist snobs who won't be bothered to help anyone with anything unless they're on their f-list

now I try to see both sides in thise debate and give each side an equal say but this post just flatly pissess me off, you couldn't make this any more elitist if you replaced every other letter with a number. now I've met some god awful players in my time in GW but you're the first that actually makes me ashamed to be playing GW.
This is the kind of arrogance our community has reached now? Good God people

Well, i dont see anything wrong with not wanting helping anyone, we are playing the game for fun, while might feel good sometime to help someone its not fun when its forced on you.
Helping someone is something i decide. And when helping someone is a duty? if you need know something i will say press f10 or just reply you in chat, dont ask me to pug with you.

PLUS all the help need to beat the game in NM and most of HM you can get by pressing f10. it take few minute while people seem be expecting complete stranger to help them for halfhour or more.

lishi · Oct 25, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by angryKid

This is the bit that most people here just don't get. You do actually force me to solo at times, there are lots of situations where there are 8+ players at a mission outpost, every one of each with a full H/H in the party. While I could form a hybrid human-hero party with some of them this opportunity is taken away from me this way.

while it might seem make sense your reasoning are wrong.

You are blaming other people who choosed to do something else (doing the mission with hero instead of pugs) forcing you to h/h. do you blame people are trading / pvping / chatting becouse they are not playing the mission with you as well?

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Heroes don't complain, don't go AFK, don't leave the party. This is a double bladed sword. Computer controlled teammates actually make the real ones impatient and fussy.

its not the fact hero dont do that stuff who make people choose h/h but the fact real player do the stuff you mentioned

if someone go afk, rage etc will make me angry no matter what the hero do.

SpeedyKQ · Oct 25, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

Obviously, such a weekend should never actually be done. Too many thin-skinned people can't tolerate their fellow humans. And we're all spread too thin across 4 games and 2 modes.

But I agree with the sentiment. I miss the days before Nightfall, when everyone still had a choice between playing with AI's or humans, but most people chose humans. Failure rate was a little higher, maybe, but victories were more glorious, and the unpredictability added a ton of excitement.

Etta · Oct 25, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Why should we tolerate some random idiot? Guildies ftw.

Buttermilk · Oct 25, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Oh, right. Taking away one of the basic features in the game will make people play.
While we're at it, let's disable map travel![/sarcasm off]

/notsigned

Whisper Evenstar · Oct 25, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

/signed... sounds amusing...